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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#211 by phil ( deleted ) , Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:41 pm

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As you say I think they extended the brewery in the 60's or 70's. This may have been the cause of the closure overextending themselves (forgive the pun).

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#212 by phil ( deleted ) , Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:08 pm

Its amazing how you don't know what you have got until you come to look for it. I didn't know that I had this photo of the Kings Highway. Also the information that in 2001 it was purchased by Arena Pubs and renovated inside and out to a high standard. Here we are ten years later and its gone from the face of the earth. Not a good buy then!

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#213 by Voltman , Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:24 pm

That would have made a good "Where is this" pub.


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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#214 by phil ( deleted ) , Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:50 pm

I passed by the Malt Shovel on Brighton Rd Balsall Heath on Sunday. I noticed it was being converted into another curry house.

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#215 by signman ( deleted ) , Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:08 am

Long time since I've been in there.

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#216 by phil ( deleted ) , Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:14 am

Well John, I don't think you will be going in there again unless it's for a curry.

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#217 by astoness , Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:43 am

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#218 by Voltman , Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:33 pm

On the 22nd Nov., 1780, Wilfrid Barwick, a butcher, was robbed and murdered near the four mile stone on the Coleshill Road. The culprits were two soldiers, named John Hammond (an American by birth) and Thomas Pitmore (a native of Cheshire) but well known as "Jack and Tom," drummer and fifer in the recruiting service here. They were brought before the magistrates at the old Public Office in Dale End; committed; and in due course tried and sentenced at Warwick to be hanged and gibbeted on Washwood Heath, near the scene of the murder. The sentence was carried out April 2, 1781, the bodies hanging on the gibbet in chains a short time, until they were surreptitiously removed by some humanitarian friends who did not approve of the exhibition. What became of the bodies was not known until the morning of Thursday, Jan. 20, 1842, when the navvies employed on the Birmingham and Derby (now Midland) railway came upon the two skeletons still environed in chains when they were removing a quantity of earth for the embankment. The skeletons were afterwards reinterred under an apple-tree in the garden of the Adderley Arms, Saltley, and the gibbet-irons were taken as rarities to the Aston Tavern, where, possibly, inquisitive relic-mongers may now see them.


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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#219 by phil ( deleted ) , Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:10 pm

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An interesting tale that I had read before, any idea why the Adderley Arms on Saltley High Street was chosen for the re-internment? I would also add that you would no longer be able to view the chains at the Aston Tavern as that now is also defunct as is the Adderley Arms.

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#220 by mikejee , Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:48 pm

Inquests were often held at pubs. Usually it was a particular pub for a certain area. Certainly a lot of inquests were held at the Adderley Arms pub.Possibly it they were then dubious as to burying them in consecrated ground, and this was the nearest place to the inquest. Only a guess

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#221 by phil ( deleted ) , Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:32 am

Hi Mike

Yes I realise that pubs were used for a lot of inquests around those times. Also I have read previously that executed murderers were always buried in unconsecrated ground. Lots of our prisons had unmarked graveyards for just that purpose. I wonder if they are still there? or in our more enlightened times have those that were buried there been dug up and re-interned?

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#222 by mikejee , Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:38 pm

In most cases probably not Phil, though I think Sir Roger Casement was repatriated to Ireland. In most cases no-one probably knows where they are, so couldn't do it anyway

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#223 by phil ( deleted ) , Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:23 pm

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I would have thought that prisons would have had to keep some sort of a record where the bodies of those that were executed were laid. If only for reference in future building plans.

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#224 by mikejee , Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:32 pm

I seemed to remember reading somewhere,in prisons the bodies of executed prisoners were buried in unmarked graves and noone usually knew who was who. However i think this was wrong after reading http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/hanging1.html#after . In passing,while looking for more info i came across http://www.manchester-family-history-res...new_page_26.htm , where it seems to imply that possibly while roy jenkins was home secretary he authorised the return to relatives of the body of murderer Herbert Roy Harris, inspite of the fact that he had not been pardoned, and that Herbert Roy Harris might have been his uncle . Apparently records of this seem to have disappeared, which always stirs up suspicions. Mind you if you start just assuming people of the same name were the same then you would think that I had claimed that i had been been kidnapped twice by aliens and transported onto a flying saucer!!

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RE: BIRMINGHAM PUBS as is and was

#225 by phil ( deleted ) , Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:26 pm

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Only twice I've been out of this world many times, but it usually came after a visit to a licenced establishment.


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