RE: Holders Pubs in Birmingham, - 16

The picture of the Holders Arms shows the landlord as William Charles Cooper. He was listed as at 35 Washington st from between 1910 & 1911 till sometime between 1927 and 1929. Before him the landlord was Albert Joseph Cooper , possibly his father . I hope that was what you were asking for

Thank you for all your responses.

mikejee, I didn't notice the name William Charles Cooper on the photo - many thanks. The name Cooper isn't known to me but maybe Ellen Nutting lived in the pub with him after her husband died in 1915? Thank you also Voltman for pointing me in the direction of Kellys for who may have lived in the pub post-1915. As I said, it may just be me convincing myself that it's my great grandmother at the Holders Arms. It would be interesting to hear the opinions from others if they can compare the photos. Sadly, no family around to help! I'm just so glad that I have the Templefield Rd Stores photo to show that she and my great grandfather Philip Nutting traded from there c1911. I went to Templefield Rd a couple of years ago...looked to me that all of the properties there now were probably built 1930's - 1980s.

Incidentally, in case anyone was wondering (sheldonboy), my name comes from one of my favourite Birmingham bands - City Boy. (people may remember their only hit - 5705?). They also did an album and song called Young MEN Gone West. May not be to everyone's taste - but they were from the best city!

Thanks again for all your welcomes!

This is the picture of Templefield Stores
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Thanks Mikejee, but it seems it isn't the whole story.
I had a read of the first few pages of this thread and found you wrote this…..

"I think the last one of your pubs might be the Moulders Arms, not Holders Arms. This is certainly how it is listed in the electoral roll 1922-27. Messing around with the name over the door (and “negativising” it as below) shows it could be that, but am not sure.
Anyway , whatever the name, it was in the Cooper family for a while. From directories and electoral rolls:
1878 –Landlord is Underhill
1880-1899 Joseph Richard Cooper
1900-1905 Mrs Sarah Ann Cooper
1908-10 Albert Joseph Curzon Cooper
1912-27 William Charles J.Cooper (and wife Eliza)
1930 Henry Dent"

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So this leaves me wondering if the corner pub in the photo is really the one at 35 Washington Street or is it elsewhere and we don't have a picture of the Holders Arms.
Here is the photo of the pub we are calling The Holders Arms, note the name on the board, the last word doesn't exactly look like Cooper and the word in the stone work does look more like MOULDERS or even some other word that fits xxxxDERS.
Of course it could be that the directories got it wrong and assumed the name was Holders Arms even if it wasn't.
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I have looked into the Templefield Stores and find various references that leave me confused.
The shop is described elsewhere as Templefield Road Stores but if the stores were by the blues ground then the name of the road is Templefield Street.
I can't find a Templefield Road but there is a post office on Wheeleys Road in Edgbaston called Templefield Road Post Office, the shops there are in a small precinct called Templefield Square, was this the site of a Templefield Road?

Does anyone know?

Wow Voltman - you have eagle-eyes! I agree, the words in stone do look like the Moulders Arms. Nothing on Google backs it up but that's not surprising, given the age. I seem to have raised one issue and caused doubt over another! [sad]

The Templefield "Stores" was definitely in Templefield Street near the Blues ground because my Dad used to tell me stories of him going there in the 1930s (usually late in the game, when it was free entry for kids!). Sorry - I confused Road with Street.

Thanks Volty. I had forgotten that I had already dug out that other information . Well it was three years ago. On my recent reply I was just assuming that it was the Holders Arms. I usually save things like that under the name of the pub, but do not seem to have done that on this occasion.

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Wow Voltman - you have eagle-eyes! I agree, the words in stone do look like the Moulders Arms. Nothing on Google backs it up but that's not surprising, given the age. I seem to have raised one issue and caused doubt over another!

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Quote: mikejee wrote in post #233

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Thanks Volty. I had forgotten that I had already dug out that other information . Well it was three years ago. On my recent reply I was just assuming that it was the Holders Arms. I usually save things like that under the name of the pub, but do not seem to have done that on this occasion.

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just caught up with this thread....re the pic of the pub which is on a corner...just checked 1921 kellys and after the pub run by william charles cooper beer retailer at 35 washington st it says ..here is commercial st so we really need a map off mike if poss just to confirm that the st to the left of the pub was indeed commercial st..then at least we will know if the location is correct...also need to research to find out if there were any moulding works in that area...could confirm if the pub was called the moulders arms as pubs were very often named after nearby industries..just had a look in the trade directories and there was a ROGERS WILSON AND CO MOULD MAKERS (RUBBER) in holloway head which is what washington st comes under