RE: Holders Pubs in Birmingham, - 17

#241 by Stirling Single , Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:50 am

Am looking to see if I can find out anything more about the Moulders Arms and Philip Nutting.
I wonder if anyone of you that know the district would think that the attachment would be the same Moulders Arms as in the Washington Street picture where we can just about read the 'Moulders Arms ' sign in the brickwork on the wall.Bild entfernt (keine Rechte) Lynn.

#242 by Voltman , Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:41 am

I think there must be more than one Moulders Arms. An 1850 ish Kelly''s should settle it.
P. Nutting has no connection with the pub except the remote possibility that his widow may be in the photograph.

#243 by Voltman , Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:56 am

Licensee at 35 Washington Street in 1850 is Henry Scrannage
I found this entry in a downloadable directory at The University of Leicester. http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/c...coll4/id/339983
I can't find any specific mention of a Moulders Arms in Cheapside in 1850.

#244 by mikejee , Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:48 am

There were a number of Moulders arms. The one that comes up most is at Toll end in tipton, but there was also one in Eldon St, Great tindall St and Lower
Trinity St. Have found two references to one in cheapside. Sometimes then when a place was in a side street they did list it as being in the area of the main st, but Cheapside is too far from Washington st for it to be this pub. Incidentally George H St Clair was an auctioneer and appraiser at 44 Worcester st

#245 by oldmangonewest , Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:30 am

Great to see you track down the correct name of the pub. As you infer Mikejee, there's absolutely no chance of tracking down my great grandmother at the Moulders Arms but at least no-one said there wasn't any likeness to her at Templefield Street! Many thanks to all.

#246 by Curly-claire ( deleted ) , Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:28 pm

Hi,

I wanted to join this forum because currently researching my family history.

John Charles holder was my 2nd great grandfather and henry holder 1811-1880 my 3rd great grandfather.
I live in the south of England.
I have noticed quite a few people on here seem to know a lot about more about the holder family.
I'd be very grateful if anyone would be prepared to help me especially with any photographs you'd be happy to share.

Thank you
Claire

#247 by Sheldonboy , Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:52 pm

Hello Curly Clair.
Welcome to our little forum. Please make yourself at home. One of our members 'STIRLING SINGLE' knows a great deal about the Holder family. I will email an alert to her. Sheldonboy

#248 by Stirling Single , Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:23 pm

I'm not sure what sort of photographs that Claire may be looking for whether it be Concert/Music Hall, Holder's Midland Brewery or Family
but
my last purchase was a Glass Magic Lantern Slide

I wonder if anyone could date it for me.

The street at the side is Blakeland Street and I think the pub was called Samson and Lion.

Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)

#249 by astoness , Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:56 pm

thats a cracking photo...difficult to date but maybe 1890s...blakeland st is in the bordesley area..looks like the driver is changing the destination notice to nechells...

lyn

#250 by mikejee , Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:57 pm

Yes it must be the Samson & Lion on the junction of Blakeland St & Green Lane, marked in red on c 1904 map below

#251 by Stirling Single , Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:58 am

Thanks Lyn for the bits of information on it that I wouldn't have recognised and yes, as you say the driver looks as if he's changing the destination notice
and
Mike for c1904 map.

Lynn

#252 by Voltman , Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:17 pm

I have closely studied that photo and can't see any evidence of a connection to Holders.
If only there was a sign or some sort of clue.

#253 by mikejee , Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:42 pm

Actually Volty the brewery is owned by a Mr Bottled- You can see it says "Bottled ales" and "Bottled bitter"

#254 by Voltman , Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:10 am

Well spotted Mike, I am on the case.
Although if I find any mention of Holders I will include it in my research.

In fact I found this ... http://www.breweryhistory.com/Defunct/BreweryIndex.htm
There is no mention of either Bottled or many of the pubs we know to be Holders, but there are a few interesting photo's and descriptions of seven Holders pubs. Bottled is a bit elusive for the moment.

#255 by Voltman , Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:24 pm

Some related webpages……...
http://www.search.connectinghistories.or...e=2&ThemeID=230
http://www.search.connectinghistories.or...e=2&ThemeID=319

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