Craven Arms re-opening

An ex Holders pub Re-opening this is from todays birmingham Mail

I see it is associated with the Wellington, this is how pubs should be, real beer and historic architecture.
I suppose I ought to make the effort to visit a few.

Volty I know somewhere else we should visit.

True, True.

Am thrilled to see that this particular Pub is going to be looked after. Shall visit again when next in Birmingham.
Does anyone know if the Pub was already there or did Henry Holder build it.
Was wondering what year it was built in.
Mike, any chance of you doing your expert research to put some dates to-gether.
Lynn.

Have just realised that above the door of the Craven Arms it says established 1838 so that would have been before Henry Holders time and Holder's Midland Brewery.
Does anyone know if there is a site that would tell me when Birmingham Pubs were built.
Lynn.

Lynn
You are being rather hopeful !! McKenna's books, which only cover the centre of Birmingham, do sometimes mention when a pub opened, but are not always correct. In the case of the Craven Arms the date is not mentioned.

Guess I am being a little hopeful Mike. It's just a matter of best where to look. Have got a little way and am working at it, mainly Newpapers.

The Craven Arms:-
1838 Est.
1861 and ? before - Jeremiah Turner
1864 - He died suddenly.
1870 - Mary Turner { his wife } to Thomas Fallows
1871 - Thomas Fallows
1881 April - Big sale of everything
1881 Oct - Thomas Fallows Liquidation by arrangement
1895 - 24th June - John Charles Holder - Holder's Brewery Ltd A lease of 14yrs to Walter Fallows { Thomas Fallows son }
1901 - Walter Fallows

That's what I've found so far, it's just so good that the pub has managed to survive at all as I think it seems to have nearly gone under a few times but this time looks hopeful if the new landlords can get it going well.
Lynn.

Lynn

I think the problem is (in addition to the usual pub trade problems) at the moment is that due to redevelopment the pub was left in the middle of an industrial and commercial area. While this is probably good for trade during the day it's not helpful if you have got to walk quiet back streets at night to get there, unless you use you car, but this defeats the issue of going to a pub in the first place. Though I think some of the commercial properties in the area have now been converted to living accommodation.

Lynn
I wasn't saying there was no information out there, just thta you were being hopeful to find it on a neet little site.
The following may add a little to the list of dates you have for the Craven Arms.
It is not listed on the Warwickshire Victuallers database at http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/web/corpo...02573E1005E85F1 , which goes up to about 1828. It is not always compete and does not always list the name of the pub, but this does show no evidence for it being before 1828.
From directories (remembering that early ones can run a bit late). The Craven was at 1-2 Upper Gough St, but there is evidence that there was once on the site a pub called the Plough & Harrow. Otherwise just landlords listed:
1833 Nothing listed at 1 Upper Gough St
1839 No pub name. Thomas Clare 1 Upper Gough St
1841 Plough & Harrow. Thomas Clare, 1 Upper Gough St
1845-49 John Dennies
1852-63 Jeremiah Turner
1867 Mrs Mary Turner
1872-84 Thomas Fallows
1890-95 Mrs Mary Fallows.
1896-1921 Walter Fallows
1932-37 Walter Checkley
1938-40 Stephen Foster Lewis
1946-50 Frederick Alfred Hinckley
1955-56 H. Whittingslow,

Thanks Mike, What you've put here is a great help and the link is fantastic for me to be able to research from. Many thanks for all of this. Lynn.

Lynn

Another piece about the Craven Arms from todays Birmingham Mail that I thought might interest you. I think I might give them a week or two to collect some artefact's and then pop along to see what they have collected. I'll take my camera with me if I do.

Quote: phil wrote in post #12

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Lynn

Another piece about the Craven Arms from todays Birmingham Mail that I thought might interest you. I think I might give them a week or two to collect some artefact's and then pop along to see what they have collected. I'll take my camera with me if I do.

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Excellent newspaper report to follow up on the reopening of the Craven Arms. How I do so wish that I lived nearer.
So look forward to seeing photos that some of you will be able to take, when you visit there.
Lynn.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/loc...mingham-1342783
Have just found an up to date picture of The Craven Arms on Google and it's rather good that in the restoration they have managed to bring back the original Holder name on the outside of the building.
Lynn.